Poor Chico.. its always something with him :(
History: Chico is pron to seizures if he lays eyes on his girls and cant get to them. Therefor he is never allowed to see them again :(
He also has a heart murmur. Discovered when i brought him to the vet after the first seizure.
Earlier this year, he showed higher lvls of glucose in his urine and was diagnoses with diabetes.
And here we go again.... :tantrum:
Chico lives in a cage with his son. They have both been incredible when it comes to urinating in there litter pans. (My girls could learn a thing or two from my boys) A while ago i noticed that Chico wasn't always using his litter pan, and going on the metal bass pan instead. What started off as one puddle, became two, then 3. Then it became a large amount of small puddles.
He started becomes a little less active and was often retreating in his hut. I switched his food earlier in the year for his diabetes, both chins LOVE the new food. They are eating a lot of it. They went from 2tbls of old food with some left over up to 4tbls each of the new stuff for a while. Now they are both settled at about 3tbls each a day. - They rly rly like it. They would be waiting at the cage bars for there food all excited when i would enter there room. Lately Chico not only wasn't doing that, but he wasn't rly coming out of his hut even after i feed him. - That being said he would come out eventually. As far as i can tell, he is still eating and drinking normally.
On Saturday when i got up and went to there room to spot clean cages (mainly the girls since they like to pee everywhere) i noticed in the boys cage that there were puddles of urine with blood in them. Strangely enough, it wasn't like a blood/urine mixture. It was more like a puddle of urine with blood in the center of it. Like if someone took a puddle of urine and dropped some blood in the center and it didnt mix.
So that was of course the last straw. Time to see a vet. I went to Dr. Stern who was mentioned in this forum in the vets section, as well as some other vet/clinic places that didn't treat exotics.
Chico has a pathological fear of being picked up. He hates it with a passion. But if you know what your doing, you can manage.
Stern gave him a dose of something (flower scent?). Supposedly a homeopathic thing that helps clam them down. What i didn't like about that was, she told me this as she gave it to him. And she gave it to him fast. Not even enough time for me to say no to it. - It calm him down a little bit tho.
She felt his bladder and checked his privates. Tried to coax some poop and urine out of him. Got a small amount of poops, but his bladder was empty.
Stern said it could possibly be an infection, or something with the kidneys.
she said she could give antibiotics, but she doesn't like doing that. She wanted to try some 'natural holistic' things first. - All in all, i wasn't getting a good feeling there. For some reason i just didn't trust her. - I even found it odd that they did not weigh chins in grams, but only pounds.
THEN i got the list of things she wanted to do.... and the cost.
Exam - $99
CBC Chem profile (blood panel) $175
Urinalysis with sediment $21.5
Injection Plasma-lyte $20
Injection Vit C+B+B12 $29
Injection Bovine Thymus $21.50
BHI Formula (holistic stuff to 'help immune system and tonify all organs' $45
ESTIMATED TOTAL (for that first bit at least): $431.50
I already wasn't sure, after seeing that list i was inclined to get a second opinion. So i paid just for the visit ($99... ****) Got to my car and called another vet. They vet i had gone to a little while ago when my ferret was having seizures.
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Dr. Jennings.
Carlisle Small Animal Veterinary Clinic.
25 Shady Lane
Carlisle PA 17013
So i called them to make an appointment. It was already like 5pm. When they said they didnt have any spots open for today, i wasnt surprised. I could get one today with a diff doc, but i chose to stick with Jennings. I asked for tomorrow, but they checked and she wasnt in tomorrow. They asked what was wrong - told them blood in urine - 2 min later they came back and said that Jennings said thats something that needs to be seen for today. And told me i can come at 6.50pm (there supposed to be closing at that point, no patients.) - Made worse that due to traffic/gps taking me to toll road/ roads closed/ battery dieing.. i should have arrived an hour early, i arrived at 7:05pm. And sure enough she was there waiting to see Chico. (gotta love just the fact that they did that)
I told her what was going on, she looked over what Stern had wanted to do, and then checked out chico. Said she couldnt feel anything that would point towards stones, and that his bladder was empty. She looked him over, even checked his teeth since he was there. - Also said she wouldnt think it was the kidneys first because of the way the blood in the urine was. (not all mixed up)
She gave me some antibiotics for him to start with. As well as a syringe to get a urine sample since his bladder was empty. (Since Chico is peeing on metal tray i can get it that way)
Treatment/testing could evolve from there, but we will see what the antibiotics and the urinalysis show first.
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Ill probably start the antibiotics tomorrow. Chico is thoroughly pissed for tonight. So ill leave him rest. Hopefully ill get the urine sample tomorrow too.
Given the differences in the two vets, i was curios to see what others here thought. So if you suffered long enough to read all that (thank you!), any ideas/thoughts?
Edit: in addition to his eating a lot more of the new food, he has gained a good bit of weight. 2 months ago he was at 574.9g i think it was. And i weighed him before i left today and he was 685~g
History: Chico is pron to seizures if he lays eyes on his girls and cant get to them. Therefor he is never allowed to see them again :(
He also has a heart murmur. Discovered when i brought him to the vet after the first seizure.
Earlier this year, he showed higher lvls of glucose in his urine and was diagnoses with diabetes.
And here we go again.... :tantrum:
Chico lives in a cage with his son. They have both been incredible when it comes to urinating in there litter pans. (My girls could learn a thing or two from my boys) A while ago i noticed that Chico wasn't always using his litter pan, and going on the metal bass pan instead. What started off as one puddle, became two, then 3. Then it became a large amount of small puddles.
He started becomes a little less active and was often retreating in his hut. I switched his food earlier in the year for his diabetes, both chins LOVE the new food. They are eating a lot of it. They went from 2tbls of old food with some left over up to 4tbls each of the new stuff for a while. Now they are both settled at about 3tbls each a day. - They rly rly like it. They would be waiting at the cage bars for there food all excited when i would enter there room. Lately Chico not only wasn't doing that, but he wasn't rly coming out of his hut even after i feed him. - That being said he would come out eventually. As far as i can tell, he is still eating and drinking normally.
On Saturday when i got up and went to there room to spot clean cages (mainly the girls since they like to pee everywhere) i noticed in the boys cage that there were puddles of urine with blood in them. Strangely enough, it wasn't like a blood/urine mixture. It was more like a puddle of urine with blood in the center of it. Like if someone took a puddle of urine and dropped some blood in the center and it didnt mix.
So that was of course the last straw. Time to see a vet. I went to Dr. Stern who was mentioned in this forum in the vets section, as well as some other vet/clinic places that didn't treat exotics.
Chico has a pathological fear of being picked up. He hates it with a passion. But if you know what your doing, you can manage.
Stern gave him a dose of something (flower scent?). Supposedly a homeopathic thing that helps clam them down. What i didn't like about that was, she told me this as she gave it to him. And she gave it to him fast. Not even enough time for me to say no to it. - It calm him down a little bit tho.
She felt his bladder and checked his privates. Tried to coax some poop and urine out of him. Got a small amount of poops, but his bladder was empty.
Stern said it could possibly be an infection, or something with the kidneys.
she said she could give antibiotics, but she doesn't like doing that. She wanted to try some 'natural holistic' things first. - All in all, i wasn't getting a good feeling there. For some reason i just didn't trust her. - I even found it odd that they did not weigh chins in grams, but only pounds.
THEN i got the list of things she wanted to do.... and the cost.
Exam - $99
CBC Chem profile (blood panel) $175
Urinalysis with sediment $21.5
Injection Plasma-lyte $20
Injection Vit C+B+B12 $29
Injection Bovine Thymus $21.50
BHI Formula (holistic stuff to 'help immune system and tonify all organs' $45
ESTIMATED TOTAL (for that first bit at least): $431.50
I already wasn't sure, after seeing that list i was inclined to get a second opinion. So i paid just for the visit ($99... ****) Got to my car and called another vet. They vet i had gone to a little while ago when my ferret was having seizures.
---
Dr. Jennings.
Carlisle Small Animal Veterinary Clinic.
25 Shady Lane
Carlisle PA 17013
So i called them to make an appointment. It was already like 5pm. When they said they didnt have any spots open for today, i wasnt surprised. I could get one today with a diff doc, but i chose to stick with Jennings. I asked for tomorrow, but they checked and she wasnt in tomorrow. They asked what was wrong - told them blood in urine - 2 min later they came back and said that Jennings said thats something that needs to be seen for today. And told me i can come at 6.50pm (there supposed to be closing at that point, no patients.) - Made worse that due to traffic/gps taking me to toll road/ roads closed/ battery dieing.. i should have arrived an hour early, i arrived at 7:05pm. And sure enough she was there waiting to see Chico. (gotta love just the fact that they did that)
I told her what was going on, she looked over what Stern had wanted to do, and then checked out chico. Said she couldnt feel anything that would point towards stones, and that his bladder was empty. She looked him over, even checked his teeth since he was there. - Also said she wouldnt think it was the kidneys first because of the way the blood in the urine was. (not all mixed up)
She gave me some antibiotics for him to start with. As well as a syringe to get a urine sample since his bladder was empty. (Since Chico is peeing on metal tray i can get it that way)
Treatment/testing could evolve from there, but we will see what the antibiotics and the urinalysis show first.
--
Ill probably start the antibiotics tomorrow. Chico is thoroughly pissed for tonight. So ill leave him rest. Hopefully ill get the urine sample tomorrow too.
Given the differences in the two vets, i was curios to see what others here thought. So if you suffered long enough to read all that (thank you!), any ideas/thoughts?
Edit: in addition to his eating a lot more of the new food, he has gained a good bit of weight. 2 months ago he was at 574.9g i think it was. And i weighed him before i left today and he was 685~g
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